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		<title>By: Eddie Adolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Adolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article. I went to college for about a year and a half, then left. Prior, I knew a lot from teaching my self, and my high school had few graphic design classes too. When I decided to leave, it wasn&#039;t a hard decision. When classmates started asking me for help, and not the teacher, I had to question if I was wasting my time/money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article. I went to college for about a year and a half, then left. Prior, I knew a lot from teaching my self, and my high school had few graphic design classes too. When I decided to leave, it wasn&#39;t a hard decision. When classmates started asking me for help, and not the teacher, I had to question if I was wasting my time/money.</p>
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		<title>By: marybaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>marybaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hearing a lot of focus on design and getting a job - not much focus on education. And yet my parents both worked into their 80s - my father, at almost 83, is still going strong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s highly likely that the rest of us will work that long - a total career span of about 60 years. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Who knows what the technology will be then? That&#039;s a major reason the better programs teach concept and design, not technology. Technology is always ours to keep up with on our own - and generally, design profs are going to be teaching an old version. (I&#039;ve heard of courses that are still teaching web design with tables.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But to fuel any creative career for 60 years? That takes ideas, and an idea of where to find those ideas and generate new ones, which is in the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the place we learn about the world is not really in design classes. It&#039;s partly in the social experience of school, but it&#039;s really in those other courses we take to meet those pesky distribution requirements: literature, history, math, science, a foreign language or two.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which is why I recommend not just a degree but a degree from a university - one with a great design school.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not just learning about the world - it&#039;s learning how to understand the world. To learn something about how it&#039;s put together - the math and science of it - and the people and ideas who have made it what it is today, in all its forms.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if there&#039;s one thing the social web should be teaching us all, it&#039;s that being a designer is no excuse for not being able to write clearly and coherently. (Or if it is - think how you can stand out by writing well!) What I&#039;ve found is that nothing helps us understand how our language works - all that grammar that sucked in eighth grade - like learning the grammar of a foreign language. Plus, it&#039;s the easiest way to get exposed to another culture, even if it&#039;s only twice a week at 10 am.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, the images we encounter in those non-design courses are the source images for a lifetime of design projects. Right now none of us - age 18 or 58 - knows who the next client is going to be, or the one a year from now. Will it be hamburgers or biotech? We&#039;ve all seen the double helix of DNA a thousand times. But a college-level biology course will give that helix meaning and suggest design directions that would never have occurred to you if all you saw were two parallel spirals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m hearing a lot of focus on design and getting a job &#8211; not much focus on education. And yet my parents both worked into their 80s &#8211; my father, at almost 83, is still going strong.</p>
<p>It&#39;s highly likely that the rest of us will work that long &#8211; a total career span of about 60 years. </p>
<p>Who knows what the technology will be then? That&#39;s a major reason the better programs teach concept and design, not technology. Technology is always ours to keep up with on our own &#8211; and generally, design profs are going to be teaching an old version. (I&#39;ve heard of courses that are still teaching web design with tables.)</p>
<p>But to fuel any creative career for 60 years? That takes ideas, and an idea of where to find those ideas and generate new ones, which is in the world.</p>
<p>And the place we learn about the world is not really in design classes. It&#39;s partly in the social experience of school, but it&#39;s really in those other courses we take to meet those pesky distribution requirements: literature, history, math, science, a foreign language or two.</p>
<p>Which is why I recommend not just a degree but a degree from a university &#8211; one with a great design school.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not just learning about the world &#8211; it&#39;s learning how to understand the world. To learn something about how it&#39;s put together &#8211; the math and science of it &#8211; and the people and ideas who have made it what it is today, in all its forms.</p>
<p>And if there&#39;s one thing the social web should be teaching us all, it&#39;s that being a designer is no excuse for not being able to write clearly and coherently. (Or if it is &#8211; think how you can stand out by writing well!) What I&#39;ve found is that nothing helps us understand how our language works &#8211; all that grammar that sucked in eighth grade &#8211; like learning the grammar of a foreign language. Plus, it&#39;s the easiest way to get exposed to another culture, even if it&#39;s only twice a week at 10 am.</p>
<p>Finally, the images we encounter in those non-design courses are the source images for a lifetime of design projects. Right now none of us &#8211; age 18 or 58 &#8211; knows who the next client is going to be, or the one a year from now. Will it be hamburgers or biotech? We&#39;ve all seen the double helix of DNA a thousand times. But a college-level biology course will give that helix meaning and suggest design directions that would never have occurred to you if all you saw were two parallel spirals.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s possible to be really motivated, out there working and doing all the social networking crap and have it not pay off. There&#039;s never any sure things in life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does seem like any discussion like this always has a few people that will bring up the motivational aspect as a panacea for any challenge or issue in the field. I think it&#039;s a good attitude, but it doesn&#039;t necessarily represent any kind of &#039;mechanical&#039; answer to someone that can&#039;t find work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I don&#039;t agree that the question of a degree or not comes down to motivation. It&#039;s not illogical for someone who really wants to be some kind of commercial artist to think the best way to achieve that goal is formal education.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right now it&#039;s an easy and understandable time to be a little bit bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#39;s possible to be really motivated, out there working and doing all the social networking crap and have it not pay off. There&#39;s never any sure things in life.</p>
<p>It does seem like any discussion like this always has a few people that will bring up the motivational aspect as a panacea for any challenge or issue in the field. I think it&#39;s a good attitude, but it doesn&#39;t necessarily represent any kind of &#39;mechanical&#39; answer to someone that can&#39;t find work.</p>
<p>But I don&#39;t agree that the question of a degree or not comes down to motivation. It&#39;s not illogical for someone who really wants to be some kind of commercial artist to think the best way to achieve that goal is formal education.</p>
<p>Right now it&#39;s an easy and understandable time to be a little bit bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s possible to be really motivated, out there working and doing all the social networking crap and have it not pay off. There&#039;s never any sure things in life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does seem like any discussion like this always has a few people that will bring up the motivational aspect as a panacea for any challenge or issue in the field. I think it&#039;s a good attitude, but it doesn&#039;t necessarily represent any kind of &#039;mechanical&#039; answer to someone that can&#039;t find work.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I don&#039;t agree that the question of a degree or not comes down to motivation. It&#039;s not illogical for someone who really wants to be some kind of commercial artist to think the best way to achieve that goal is formal education.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Right now it&#039;s an easy and understandable time to be a little bit bitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#39;s possible to be really motivated, out there working and doing all the social networking crap and have it not pay off. There&#39;s never any sure things in life.</p>
<p>It does seem like any discussion like this always has a few people that will bring up the motivational aspect as a panacea for any challenge or issue in the field. I think it&#39;s a good attitude, but it doesn&#39;t necessarily represent any kind of &#39;mechanical&#39; answer to someone that can&#39;t find work.</p>
<p>But I don&#39;t agree that the question of a degree or not comes down to motivation. It&#39;s not illogical for someone who really wants to be some kind of commercial artist to think the best way to achieve that goal is formal education.</p>
<p>Right now it&#39;s an easy and understandable time to be a little bit bitter.</p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<dc:creator>dd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love the sarcasm, sounds like bitterness . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love the sarcasm, sounds like bitterness . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Jhaynna05</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jhaynna05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yap, i agree with this one.. experience + talent is much much much more needed..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yap, i agree with this one.. experience + talent is much much much more needed..</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 05:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that we should all be so lazy but I find it so encouraging and reassuring to know that it is my motivation and and my drive to succeed that will get me through any challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that we should all be so lazy but I find it so encouraging and reassuring to know that it is my motivation and and my drive to succeed that will get me through any challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Nad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recommend Ringling College of Art and Design. I&#039;m hoping to go there after graduating in a year. Its a great art college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend Ringling College of Art and Design. I&#39;m hoping to go there after graduating in a year. Its a great art college.</p>
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		<title>By: Nad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 07:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%. I am going to a college that prides themselves on becoming a University when their graphic design department sucks and the teachers/professors barely know what they are teaching. I keep learning on my own but there is no motivation or excitement when you are in the classes and the teachers give you the project, which is making a map in illustrator. Another fault that my teachers had are that they play favorites in their classes and then treat others like crap. Its unfortunate when the focus should be on helping the students get a solid foundation of design and guide them towards learning in an efficient manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%. I am going to a college that prides themselves on becoming a University when their graphic design department sucks and the teachers/professors barely know what they are teaching. I keep learning on my own but there is no motivation or excitement when you are in the classes and the teachers give you the project, which is making a map in illustrator. Another fault that my teachers had are that they play favorites in their classes and then treat others like crap. Its unfortunate when the focus should be on helping the students get a solid foundation of design and guide them towards learning in an efficient manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Vector Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vector Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For example in design studio &lt;a href=&quot;http://turbomilk.ru&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://turbomilk.ru&lt;/a&gt;  only one graduated designer. But there portfolio - rocks! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For example in design studio <a href="http://turbomilk.ru" rel="nofollow">http://turbomilk.ru</a>  only one graduated designer. But there portfolio &#8211; rocks! =)</p>
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